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It was discovered that 3-4 people did a lot of ballot box stuffing in an attempt to give undue weighting to some of the responses; details
can be found on this post. On July 19th, I was able to largely remove the effects of this. A full discusion of my reasons and methods are detailed here.
As a result, I've had to implement a couple rules for the balloting as this goes forward. For the questions below, each IP is allowed only a single vote per every several days. This does make it a little clumsy for housholds or shared computer systems where multiple people may want to weigh in, but as is often the case, the selfishness and arrogance of a few results in limitations on the rest of us.
If you'd like opportunity to give more detailed and thoughful commentary, please visit the forum. If all you're interested in is the summary of the survey questions, click here.
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the kicker
- 07/09/2008 14:03
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| Scout mom is right in some ways but is confused in others. First, she is definitely right that there will be a regrowth in Cedarlands. However, for the trees that were there, we will most likely have to wait 40 years or more until we do see a regrowth. There is also a difference between logging and wildfires. While wildfires make the soil rich and ready for regrowth, logging leaves little in comparison for soil enrichment. The part that i question the most, however, is the last sentence about keeping the scout camps funded. I personally have never witnessed a serious improvement to a local scout camp. This may not be a bad thing as there is an amount of history present in the old structures that were built masterfully (usually about 30-60 years ago) and the treacherous roads. But, i have seen huge amounts of scout land sold to the state, speculators, and builders. All of these acres (incuding an entire local camp) would be fine if in fact we could see that they are doing great things in existing camps. So I would go far from suggesting that all the money from these logging contracts and land sell offs are going to fund the camps. We need to hold on to what we have and recognize that Ivory just might be right in saying that the council may need to rethink what they are doing.
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scout mom
tsterling@fortplain.org
- 07/07/2008 11:40
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| I may be wrong but I always thought foresting is a part of the process of aiding regrowth and providing space for it to grow in. I have seen the awful messes left behind right at our own camp a=on a private lake and also seen the regrowth process over five to ten years. It may seem horrible to look at now, but in the future it will be beautiful once again, just like the areas where volcanoes and wildfires take over nature, I believe this too will pass. And, if Council were to make a profit from this in order to keep all the scout camps fully funded, then so be it.
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Ivory
- 30/06/2008 11:04
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| Phil - You've got valid points about the ballot stuffing, which is why cleaning out the abuse is not exactly straightforward. When I do make the corrections, I'll provide details in a blog posting. As for what's appropriate for this comment section... my original thought was that these comments would relate to the poll, and everything else would end up on the comments for the blog/forum area. Another great conversation place is http://www.adkforum.com
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lkenyon@twcny.rr.com
- 30/06/2008 10:50
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Just another question, Hope it's relevant here.
Been a while , but as a scout I was lucky enough to go to Sabattis <sp> two years in a row , on the map it looks like it's not too far from Cedarlands. I recall seeing an ash layer in every hole we dug that came from a forest fire in the early 1900's IIRC . Was the Cedarlands area affected by the same fire ?
Phil
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lkenyon@twcny.rr.com
- 30/06/2008 10:25
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Just because my wife and I each voted from the same IP , will we also be acused of "ballot stuffing" ????
If we had a couple of children that also wanted to take part in a voting process , should we just have them vote from a friends house or the library ??
Phil
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