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It was discovered that 3-4 people did a lot of ballot box stuffing in an attempt to give undue weighting to some of the responses; details
can be found on this post. On July 19th, I was able to largely remove the effects of this. A full discusion of my reasons and methods are detailed here.
As a result, I've had to implement a couple rules for the balloting as this goes forward. For the questions below, each IP is allowed only a single vote per every several days. This does make it a little clumsy for housholds or shared computer systems where multiple people may want to weigh in, but as is often the case, the selfishness and arrogance of a few results in limitations on the rest of us.
If you'd like opportunity to give more detailed and thoughful commentary, please visit the forum. If all you're interested in is the summary of the survey questions, click here.
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Jo
jmserver@twcny.rr.com
- 01/06/2008 15:00
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pics showed no leaves on deciduous trees yet as it was in May!!!!!!! Loggers did not have their final clean up yet !!!!!! Do you know what it is like to have trees just falling down whenever & wherever (campsites included ) DURING CAMP because it was overgrown & they got diseased ?
YES, there is a lot of ground cover that will ge back in a year or two but not this summer.
I was just up for the Beaver weekend. Yes the roads are terrible, but they are every spring. You can see more now, not just a dark damp place !!!!!!
Yes, We Neededd PARKING !!!!! Ever been there with a full camp & needed to park your vehicle?
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OutOfStater
- 01/06/2008 14:40
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| Bill says "Nature will take care of herself". That's true only to a point. This destruction means that none of us will ever see this look that way again. Everyone reading this will be dead long before the trees get back to the same level. Short term financial gain, long term loss for the camp and the scouts.
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Bill Buck
bill.buck@verizon.net
- 26/05/2008 11:08
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I have lived this. Every summer growing up, my family would go to the same location in the Adirondacks. Then, one fall, the whole area was logged. When we went up that summer, it was like a nuclear bomb went off. All that was left was a parking lot. It was like my best friend had died. All the emotions and reactions associated with the loss of a close one ensued.
There is good news though. Nature will take care of herself. And, with proper stewardship from the scouts, nature will gain a boost from proper forestry and conservation methods. You will be amazed, and rejuvenated as you watch the process over the next few years as the forest comes back healthier than before.
One other bonus, the scouts now have a great opportunity to learn about forestry. I encourage the Cedarlands summer camp staff to take advantage of this great opportunity to train our scouts on the proper methods of forestry and nature conservation.
Yours in Scouts,
Bill Buck
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RQ
quackier00@aol.com
- 25/05/2008 07:41
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I think that after this year you will have a lot more trouble getting boys to cedarlands.
this is terriable, I hope the MONEYwas worth it.
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Scouter Don Izard
dizard@buffalo.edu
- 23/05/2008 14:02
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Did they even consult with a Forest manager ? Paul Smiths or Cornel could have demonstrated how to MANAGE a forest for the FUTURE - not destroy it.
Some one should be fired!
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Anon.
- 05/06/2008 22:29
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| Think anyone will REALLY pay attention to the survey results? Will it REALLY matter? When I first became in involved, I would have believed "Yes". But now I think I was just being ignorant. Shame on me for trusting.
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Matthew Ivory
bartuc@gmail.com
- 20/05/2008 20:09
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I did not know about this at all! Took me by complete surprise...
Personally, I am glad that this website is here to let people know about what happened up at Cedarlands before they go to Cedarlands... only to find out that it is not what it use to be.
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BigGreenTaxi
- 19/05/2008 20:23
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| It will only look like this for 2-3 years and you will never know it happened. Would you rather us plastic toilet paper?
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Jim Eklund
jeklund@a-znet.com
- 19/05/2008 18:56
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Back in 2005 I had a conversation with the person that would have a great deal of input on the future of the camp. He indicated, at that time, that the Seneca site was the best one in the camp. Wide open, grass covered and no trees to fall on anyone. The photos provided do not shock me in the least. They are, in fact, exactly what I expected. As to whether our Troop of Scouts will return after this year, that is entirely up to them. It is their Troop, and thus, their decision.
I grew up in the forests that surround Raquette Lake New York and often took compass hikes into places such as Lone Pond, an area only available in this way. I have had the joy of walking a forest untouched by man or his machines. A forest last touched only by the hand of God. The Cederlands we all knew, in all years we knew it, did not resemble the forests I have walked. The Cederlands that remains today, even if left untouched and uninhabited for the next threehundred years, will only begin to resemble the forest God intended to have reside there.
We are Scouts. The forest and the great outdoors have been, and will allways be, our best classroom. We will adapt to what man has left us to work with. That is part of the lesson we teach in Scouting as well.
I do, however, think that it is time to take small groups of Scouts on a compass hike...or two, and show them what it is like to hike through, and rest your eyes under God's great canopy, opening them a short time later looking straight up into it's majestic glory. For that experience, there is no substitute.
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Cindy Smith
ricardcin@yahoo.com
- 18/05/2008 09:48
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| Shame on council for doing this. Now our new boys will never know the beautiful place that once was Cedarlands
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